fresh kill 1994 watch online. The entire time I was a patrol officer, 5 years, I carried a revolver. It will drive a 300-grain bullet to over 1,600 fps. Please reply. But if you are hiking in territories inhabited by mountain lions, they can present a serious danger. landowners can request a special permit to catch or kill a mountain lion if it has killed livestock and caused damage. Fortunately the latter emptied his 4 Smith and Wesson Model 66 A mountain lion would win a fight against a wolf. can a 38 special kill a mountain lionohio state income tax. Your .357 magnum should be fine and easier to get off a second shot on target. Hard cast bullet are the best for bear defense, they will penetrate like nothing else out there. Key Points: No dog, regardless of the breed, would be able to take on a full-grown mountain lion solo. I had a face off not far from lake Iliamna with that combo and would not have traded it for the world. I no longer use trick bullets or many jacketed bullets. No, they dont. A man accused of taking part in the Jan. 6 Capitol riot is now facing house arrest for killing a mountain lion in Colorado - with a gun he wasn't supposed to have.. Patrick Montgomery was . FL). I read an article recently that said you are statistically more likely to survive a bear attack using mace rather than a sidearm. Not totally true. A rabid animal is something you do not even want to touch. Almost all .460s are semi-autos. Roughly the same size as my 8 S & W 44 mag, but a lot more fire power. A 22 may kill a mountain lion, but a 44 magnum will kill their soul as well. Cork Graham (corkgraham.com) , a fellow writer, hunter, and Alaska resident not to mention an actor on the Discovery Channel had a bit of a different perspective. There are many rifles to go with other calibers that would be nice to have same caliber bullet in pistol and rifle (i.e. This would include insanely lar. That being said, I would carry both. you spent 6 weeks on the road system not the boondocks If you are in the boondocks whatever that means? For those not familiar with this gun, think Dirty Harry. The .44 Magnum is definite bear medicine. A much cheaper conversion but I did opt to get a 6Wolf barrel that I had them do a custom 4 hole porting on. Ive lived and hunted and fished in Alaska since 1993. Best of luck, fortunately it sounds like you really wont be relying on luck.. If so, what is the problem? The black bears have been stopped with pistols, rifles, shotguns and once with an ax. HP ammo may be great for two legged predators, not so much for those with fourand large teeth! document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This is all interesting to a curious 75 yo ..better for me to stay out of bear country. rather hungry bears stalking, attacking, and then attempting to eat human beings. Absolute .357 Mag in a revolver for me is a minimum. I would have no reservation about using it on a mountain lion. The statement that you wont be able to dump a full magazine into a charging bear is likely true as well. A .38 snubby? A good friend used to go to Alaska to fish. A neighbor, 1/2 mile away lost some pheasants to one. AFLoader, the Automated Universal Pistol Magazine Loader, https://www.fws.gov/mountain-prairie/species/mammals/grizzly/bear%20spray.pdf. carry ! that will allow the bullets to be seated and crimped .100 further out than factory specs. Bear spray is actually bear fogger and comes out in a finely atomized mist with absolutely no chance of moving against even the faintest of breezes. If it was acting as weird as they say, they were idiots for not assuming that it was rabid. think of anything better to own, carry, keep, and have instantly accessible than a good Answer (1 of 12): There's a lot of variables in play with this question and a 9mm pistol round is NOT a good round to take down a large predator with. God Bless old Friend. Poisons, like these rodenticides, harm lions. I usually carry it in a cross-draw holster that allows me to ride a horse or ATV. Does that mean my woods gun a .44 Magnum revolver with 6-inch barrel and loaded with 240 grain soft-point bullets is overkill for mountain lions? ( nothin) lol. His cousin, the brown bear, is an entirely different story; when a brown bear means business you need to stop the threat and stop it fast, by any means necessary. carry the biggest piece of iron that you can place multiple rounds accurately and in very little time, amigos.. Magnum revolver for not only armed defense against both two and four legged The cartridge will push a 180-grain bullet to a respectable 1,300 fps, and that little Kimber has a lot to offer. Yes. No thanks. But .380's tend to be small handguns, and with a mountain lion if it's within the accurate range of a small pocket gun you're likely already dead. Curiosity got the better of them, and they managed to discharge the canisters in their hotel room that night. Radically Invasive Projectile G2 ammo works! When they were hunted with dogs in the 1950s and 60s, many were shot with .22 rimfire cartridges from both rifles and pistols. When it comes to the coastal brown bear, thats a whole different animal. Mr. Shoemakers observations about irrational fear, opinions based on nonexperience or shilling, and the need for multiple hits in a hurry are the most astute and real world in this series. I finally settled on attempting to use Hodgden Universal powder for the first go, since it shows the potential to give good velocity with the lighter 170-grain bullets. Local dog hunters said lion are easy to kill and they use a 22lr pistol. Most sheep hunts have included bear encounters. I own several Casulls, but my favorite handgun is a 5-inch, custom Freedom Arms Model 83 that Ken Kelly tricked out for me. A 10mm Glock is not going to be too . What to do? More than 12,400 mountain lions were killed between 1907 and 1963 and turned in for bounties, according to the Mountain Lion Foundation. Now that is change of Biblical proportions. Though it is illegal under state law to kill a mountain lion to protect a pet, CPW has decided not to press charges. More than half of those were fawns. Excellent article! Now that we have hogs in the area, I want to upgrade to either an AR pistol in .50beo, a revolver in 500SW / 454Casull. So far, Ive never seen anything bigger than a hare, but it never hurts to be careful. I almost needed a new clean pair of drawers. What do you know! The recoil is quite severe for all of these loads and I cant imagine wanting or needing to go to the 460 Rowland! Funny how there is no mention of bear spray in all of this as it has to be the first option compared to killing and animal in whose domain you have wandered. Mountain lions can kill adult humans along with large mammals. I got a buddy who is a duputy with Harris County (Tx) Sherrifs office. What we can do is provide a framework to understand what average conditions might look like, and whether those are reasonably viable for a shot from the average shooter to harvest a cougar or mountain lion in the fewest number of shots possible, i.e., ethically. According to CPW, Colorado is home to between 3,000 and 7,000 mountain lions. The author is right in the close terrain on of the Bitterroors, youre only going to get two shots off and the second one will be point blank. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. I heard that some hikers on Mt. 44 mag power in a high cap auto loader. Keith by Buffalo Bore . so why risk it. You arent arent going to get to reload and the targets are moving really fast. However, should you have the misfortune of getting between a sow and her cubs, or perhaps meet a cantankerous old boar, the black bear certainly has the equipment to rearrange your anatomy, and even possibly render your birth certificate null and void. The, pucker factor has a lot to do with taking over full control of,your sight-alignment, sight-picture, breathing and trigger squeeze regardless of what you are using. We see bears here and there I have never had to shoot one however I carry my Freedom Arms 454 Casull 7 1/2 Barrel. A 38 special? FMJ. Rocky the dog was left with a hole in his head that went "down to his brain" after he bravely defended his . Just no big name in the periodicals. With that said, feel free to carry bear spray if you want. Lions or parts cannot be taken out of Colorado unless inspected and sealed. I have had very good luck with both the 45 colt and 454 with 335gr. The only explanation that I can think of is that it was pumped full of adrenaline. the 45 colt will out perform even the 454 if the right cases are used in bullet weights up to 410gr. the reason to own a .38/.357 revolver. The most restrictive, California State Proposition 117, passed in 1990, prohibits the killing of any mountain lion except in the case of an animal that poses a direct threat to people, pets, or . Feature Articles, You go first, Ill watch. I shot that bear in the mouth without breaking a tooth on him cause he was popping his jaws whilst standing on his back legs trying to get thru the fence. My mountain weapon is a 458 SOCOM, semi-auto, from a 8in barrel, eotech halo-graphic, green laser and 1000 lumen light, with a 300gr lead tip hollow point. Its jackass. The lion was dead before the mule Berry took and shook the lion. CCIs classic .38 Special shot or snake death by wild beast is now becoming more common. Until you dump a 15 rd mag into some calibrated ballistics gel, hold your amateur and mis-informed comments for all the other mommys wanna bes. The young boy said he could not feel the teeth because they were dull, but Paul did feel the scratches from the big paw. Note on BLACK BEARS they have become highly predatory in Alaska. It provides some seemingly good info, but some is just confusing and troublesome. Your wife and kids will thank you. An exceedingly interesting question. They want to second guess people. The big cats are thin skinned and not that hard to kill. I mixed opinions about this article. The cougar chased Kyle Burgess, 26 . I have a CZ52 that shoots the old PPsH Tokarev LMG round. Sounds like you have everything covered. Changing, yes, but then you look at the ravages of the recent volcanoes and all the CO2 released. Also the .454 C uses a rifle primer to handle the high pressure generated whereas the 45 Colt uses a pistol primer. Do you have a problem with this model? @1,3000+ FPS, a 255 gr. An interesting piece giving advice from expert typewriter shooters to bear hunters. One guy, a native of Alaska (Marty) carried a .22 Magnum revolver. Laboratory work several days after the attack would have indicated rabies. Maybe a man purse could hold 2 #s of C4? 44 mag or most any other caliber in those ranges if the person using it knows how to shoot. If that is the mountain lion in the background why is it field dressed. the sidearm nicely supplements the rifle, as a companion piece. It turned its head, but did not appear to see me growled and went into its death throes. Next up is 44 magnum, I have 2 LAR Grizzly 44 mags, which as most of you know are simply enlarged 1911s that shoot 44 mag. The problem is the gun. That said, a single documented 9mm kill is not exactly something I would bet on winning the bear fight every time or even most of the time. Hunting and slaughtering are hardly a comparison. I believe he used a 9mm. I have a Springsfield 460 Rowland and 400 CarBon for bears and back cup with 357 Mag in a Tarus 7 shoot to stop any bear. First round 00 buckshot then slugs. The grizzly and brown bears are a completely different story. Even for dispatching He is a hard-core gun guy and he agrees with me on cartridges, guns and bullets. . I agree the 329 PD is ideal with Lower Recoil .44 Magnum Ammo 255 gr. 7 tours of duty (Coast Guard) and 11 years of volunteer EMT3 doing Bush & Mountain rescue all over Alaska, 10 years as AK Hunter Safety instructor and professional brown bear photographer + successful hunter and competition shooter, and trapper. Ruger alaskan, or Taurus Raging Bull in 5 or 6.5 ported, .480 ruger with 400g hardcast pushing 1100fps or more. He didnt know what kind of weapon was used. One must realize that with the adrendeline flowing, a moving target and possibly poor light conditions it is not easy to hit well with a hand gun no matter how good you are at the range! So that information has sort of vanished.. Not your problem when facing a legitimate threat from a bear. 9mm & 38? (https://www.fws.gov/mountain-prairie/species/mammals/grizzly/bear%20spray.pdf) Its lack of weight had me cringing at first, expecting some wrist-wrenching recoil, but I was pleasantly surprised with the manageability of the K6s. killed a mountain lion years back with a 3 inch 629, 240 grain hollow points, was not impressed. 99% of surviving a bear attack is having the brass to stand steady enough to make a good shot. Being aware that sounds and smell plays a role in a bears survival by detecting prey, keep food or harvested deer meat or other game tightly contained as it would be analogous to swimming in blood filled water with man-eating sharks. OMG! Nobody sane confronts a bear with a pistol, the 480 is not perfect for the job. closer than 35 feet heading in your direction should be engaged? Incidentally I have 2 500 Smith mags, never carry them in bear country. The Casull is an updated and slightly elongated version of the .45 Colt, fully capable of firing .45 Colt ammunition. Dogs' and bobcats' toes are shaped like an oval. Perry can dispatch a coyote with a Ruger LCP you most certainly could do it with .38 Special +p or not and it will also kill a mountain lion. What I really love I the light weight of the Blackhawk, its great in a shoulder rig. Bullets dont tend to divert in the wind at the necessary defensive distances. ; Dog breeds that are large, powerful, and possess protective instincts, like the German Shepard, are excellent dogs to have . I love packing iron, but in a 44 mag, 300 grain load minimum for bigger critters. Full power 10mm anyone? 9mm is acceptable against two legged foes, but with an angry mountain lion you want something with some real punch to it. Bye the way thats 6 rounds of death spitting out of the end of that gun ! In your expert opinion is my 44mag redhawk with LBT heat treated solids weighing 300 grains adequate? It is the gun I used in the American Hunter Challenge Video where I make five hits at seven yards in under three seconds. The experience led me to think about bear, cougar, and moose encounters that can happen on my property. Im sure that by now youve all heard about famous Alaskan bear guide Phil Shoemaker (grizzlyskinsofalaska.com) , who thwarted a grizzly attack with a Smith & Wesson 9mm automatic, loaded with Buffalo Bore hard cast ammunition. In Alaska, meat is often removed from a kill site via a frame pack and two strong legs, and all that blood creates a scent trail like a flashing All-you-can-eat buffet advertisement. Again, his Smith and Wesson Model 66 I see a lot of Blackhawk advocates. It is insufficient to break bones in a large animal like bear and isnt intended for that. The mountain lion, also called a cougar, is the largest wildcat in North America north of Mexico. I find it odd that people who trust autoloading pistols for protection against instantaneous violent attack by humans do not trust them for bears? Nothing prepares you for the 700 gr hardcast, but Im counting on the adrenaline to kick in. Next A 22 may kill a mountain lion, but a 44 magnum will kill their soul as well. Honestly for a Mountain Lion a human does not have a good chance when it comes down to human w/ knife vs mountain lion, but I do recommend he has a knife in case he would be knocked to the ground or a last resort. For this update, we found another .22 rimfire case, two additional 9mm cases, another .38 special case, three additional .357 magnum cases, another 10mm case, five additional .44 magnum cases . I saw one 200 yards from my home while deer hunting several years ago. Bye the time you get out a can of spray and start squirting it at a charging bear, and it starts burning his eyes he will be swallowing your nice juicy rump roast ! Theyll put down vermin, but small may not put down dangerous game. I have had experience with all of them and know he is right on target. If you put a 6.25 inch barrel on the glock 20 it is very capable of stopping most large animals. I believe that folks who do their own reloading can increase the powder and velocity of this caliber, but I am reluctant to try the beefed up bullets in a Scandium or polymer framed weapon. I would still rather have a 12 gauge though. I am reminded of a survival show that aired a few years ago. As far as I am concerned the best handgun for a person is one they are familiar and competent with. No HPs! I do reload them hot. I dont care if my hand probably wont wrap around the grip. Caliber: 357 or better. Both are excellent sidearms but leave something to be desired when confronting big game in the boonies. Companions showed up shooting to save the day. . Chances are youll only get to use one? the game warden. But again, as the species is protected, they were unable to carry out efforts to catch it. Take it from someone who has been nose to nose with many big bears by accident if youre going into bear country willingly take as big a double action revolver as you can keep all rounds in the target black. I am also, by trade, a Professional Land Surveyor, so my work hours are often spent in the remote wilderness areas. A black bear sow protecting a cub from your invasion of their space will have her way with you till she decides shes done. Disease is a greater concern when lions are genetically isolated as in the Santa Ana Mountains, and could potentially contribute to future decline in that population. Their large hind legs also make them excellent at sprinting for short distances. Yes I admit, Im a revolver person. Planning to go, I figured that I didnt have the right gun for a possible bear encounter. While hunting is one of my favorite pastimes, fishing and hiking are a wonderful means of spending time with friends and family and living in close proximity to both the Catskill and Adirondack mountains, there is ample opportunity for both of those activities. Year later, shot a black bear same ammo, but out of a desert eagle way better results. Fortunately, I had a spare cap in my pocket. Grizzlies make mock charges; black bear do not or thats what the experts say. in bullet weight and energy. It took two more rounds to bring it down, running about 60 yards. In that vein, and considering the real vs. imaginary threat posed by bears, a familiar 9mm loaded with non-expanding bullets is a lot better than a heavy .44 or .500 you left at home or are not completely proficient with. From one Phil to another, sage advice. I had never shot a bear before , so I decided to put it down with a shot to the next. The BS in this article is deep. An attack by a pack of feral dogs is not anything like an encounter with a single individual or a shooting competition. There is a term for that. If a domestic animal (pet/livestock) is injured or killed by a mountain lion, the owner has the legal right in California to have the mountain lion killed. There are too many variables involved to deliberatly under gun yourself on a planned trip in bear country. Just stay away from me because you are just asking for trouble. Just food for thought Stay safe Brian. He told the cameraman Ive killed bears with this gun. Between airlines, public transportation, hotels, ferryboats, etc. Colorado Parks and Wildlife said the man, identified on Thursday as 31-year-old Travis Kauffman, is "recovering well" after the self-defense attack on Feb. 4. As most readers are probably aware, a cougar (aka mountain lion) attacked a couple of mountain bikers in California last month [ Outside Online News: January 9 . 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