West Branch, Iowa: Toothpaste Press, 1981. One knows ithere, not chains,posh garlands. In his humorous anti-manifesto, Personism, the poet Frank OHara discloses one of arts great truths: you just go on your nerve. Considering this truth, he wonders, But how can you really care if anybody gets it, or gets what it means, or if it improves them. In the search for immediacy, he writes, questions of accessibility can come to seem pointless: Improves them for what? Its not around me much now. 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And with popularity comes influence: one thinks of the sunny romanticism and Instagram-readiness of Having a Coke with You (the more abstract, difficult side of OHaras work has yet to gain influencer status). At the moment, it feels like theres not much going on there; because its all going on at the surface actually. But only One is here.One is composed of words like one makes in beginning, chaotically.One makes them? McKinley. Do you remember when he wrote the second The Circus? Her honors and awards include an Arts and Letters Award from the American Academy of Arts and Letters and the Shelley Memorial Award from the Poetry Society of America. The Crying Book Reveals How Tears Can Help Us, and How They Cant. DR: Like Ted Berrigan and Anne Waldman reading at Saint Marks church their collaborative poem, Memorial Day (May 6, 1971), that episode of Public Access Television. Notley was born in Arizona and grew up in Needles, California. She has lived most extensively in Needles, in New York, and since 1992 in Paris, France. I knew him in New York, where I saw him from time to time; but after I moved here, he sought me out. Chicago European Edition #3. Eileen was twelve. At the same moment, at Saint Marks, Bernadette Mayer, Anne Waldman, and I taught poetry workshops. 108AN: Yes, towards the end of number fourteen, the last one. The poet reads and discusses her work. You know Frank was this little gay guy and Ted was this big, butch, working-class guy from Rhode Island; they were both from New England so there may have been something that he caught off of Franks voice as a vibration, or of Franks way of behaving in the world (I never met him; Ted once gave me permission to call him Frank). Alice Notleys influence on a later generation of poets exploring the subject of motherhood is hard to overstate. DYLAN, Bob, The Man in the Old Black Coat.. In 2015, she was awarded the Ruth Lilly Poetry Prize. I gave a talk on his poetry last month, in New York, which I wrote during the cold snap, when it was too cold to go out for three days. 214, fall 2015, p.34-121. In a lecture titled Thinking and Poetry, Notley underscores the deep difficulty of following ones own direction: I find being a poet something that must start again all the time; Im This Kind of Paradise. Parts of a Wedding. However, I dont know what I was listening to when I was beginning to write. That unusual, horizontal format was probably done to fit the long lines in. Can we talk a little bit about the pop culture that figures in your work? In The Pines. I would like some help. Whereupon, she just totally melted. There was a piece of paper on my door that said: in your building there were two Jewish children who were taken to the camps; we are going to have a ceremony for the unveiling of a plaque on the rue de Chabrol. Alice Notley (born November 8, 1945) is an American poet. DR: Well I think of Williams as a kind of Calder mobile waiting to enter into movement. and Laurence B. HOLLAND. I do write down my dreams, though I havent been dreaming much lately; but Ive been doing that for years. AN: I learned a lot from him on that level. Since I had all these poems without titles, I just randomly assigned Rons titles to the poems that ended up in For Frank OHaras Birthday (1976). She lives and works in Paris. In response, another woman informs: "'he . They measure out a skittering meter, question languages capacities in the face of violence, and remind us of its primal connection to bodies living and dead, speaking and silent. Would you like to come? I didnt go. 39DR: It seems to be an inspired collage. Alice Notley, Passeurs de la littrature des tats-Unis en France(1)/ Lhritage de Michel Foucault aux tats-Unis, City Ruins in American War Narratives/ Womens Sites of Struggles for Self-Determination. He could write any time he wanted to; Im like that too. Ive always taken up that ambient context in my poems. El jugador controla a Alice durante todo el juego corriendo, saltando, esquivando y atacando. I gave a talk on his poetry last month, in New York, which I wrote during the cold snap, when it was too cold to go out for three days. The Goddess Who Created This Passing World You know Newman makes these large, abstract works. She edited and wrote the introduction for the reissue of Ted Berrigans The Sonnets (2000), as well as editing, with her sons, The Collected Poems of Ted Berrigan (2005). 101AN: Well, thats what a lot of us got from her; Im heavily influenced by Gertrude Stein, having had two Stein periods; in the second one in the mid-1980s, I figured out a thing about repetition: that, if you repeated, you could pause long enough inside the repetition to figure out what to say next, which she was probably doing constantly. As in her feminist epic The Descent of Alette, the quotation marks here both interrupt and sustain. I certainly wouldve used anything to keep from being sent. Im closely influenced by them, and working with Apollinaire at the moment. Tracing the fight for equality and womens rights through poetry. Miles Davis live at Birdland or something. New York: Penguin, 1998. The Art of Poetry: John Ashbery. Ed. . vol. I thought that they were voices of dead French people, but they just came from everywhere; the voices came for that poem. 84AN: You dont have to breathe between them. For some 45 years, she has striven against the forces that stifle idiosyncrasy. There are others over there. DR: Speaking of Anne Waldman somehow makes me think of the presence of Native Americans in your work. 11It was a collaboration of sorts, though I generally do not collaborate; I really hate it. NOTLEY, Alice. I went downstairs. Its not around me much now. Then I found all the spots around the world in them and talked about them as being set in the world as a whole, saying that was a fitting poetry for now, when were all crossing borders all the time: spanning geography is the main event today, because there are so many people. Breaking Down Tracy K. Smiths Poem Solstice, Jia Tolentino on poetry as a refuge, and finding meaning in Tracy K. Smiths Solstice.. For your work, from that angle, the place to start would be the collages you make, your visual art. Pictures from Breughel and Other Poems. Theres that magical phenomenon with small children, before they get to be about four, where, if you start singing, they suddenly look at you, hooked. I was wondering about your thoughts on Native Americans. Ted had left Sandy; I was living in sin with Ted, which Peggy didnt seem to mind at all, as she liked me a lot. How, in your view, did humanity get itself in such a predicament? , and she taught me the song later, and my father taught me the chant for the Apache Dog Dance. Ive mostly dredged it all up, and I know how to get to it without dreaming. For example my poem In the Pines has been set to music by AroarA, who are two members of the Canadian, indie group, Broken Social Scene, Andrew Whiteman and Ariel Engle, whove done something mesmerizing; also, my son Eddie is both a poet and an indie musician: I know about some indie people from about 2000, not so much after that. Alma, or The Dead Women. KOCH, Kenneth. Notleys ceaseless productivity hints at a method counter to the heavy emphasis on, and even fetishization of, craft that forms the cornerstone of poetrys increasing professionalization. This is probably one reason that I change form and style so much, out of a desire to find a new beginning, which is always the true beginning. Peggy went to work at two jobs for ever; then there was a point where Johnny, the youngest, had to leave home, and she had a nervous breakdown, which was when I met her. Courtesy of Alice Notley, re-photographed by Daesong Kim, April 2018. Theres no garbage. Notley is the author of over 40 books of poetry, including 165 Meeting House Lane (1971), Phoebe Light (1973), Incidentals in the Day World (1973), For Frank OHaras Birthday (1976), Alice Ordered Me to Be Made: Poems 1975 (1976), Dr. Williams Heiresses (1980), How Spring Comes (1981), which received the San Francisco Poetry Award, Waltzing Matilda (1981), Margaret & Dusty (1985), From a Work in Progress (1988), Homers Art (1990), To Say You (1993), Selected Poems of Alice Notley (1993), The Descent of Alette (1996), among many others. New Addresses was influenced by my autobiographical book that almost won the Pulitzer Prize, Mystery of Small Houses (1998), getting him to dredge up his past, bravely. ButI forget. An introduction to one ofthe most lasting styles of mid-century American poetry. New York: Granary Books, 2006. The Circus (1971). It so happens that there are many of those trees, syringas, in Rochester, NY, where hes from. AN: He was a good friend. New York: Scribner Poetry, 2001, p.120-124. Is that right? It emasculates her. The Art of Poetry No. I am tempted to treat the quotation marks between phrases as breath-markers like on a musical score. Alice Notley continues to live in Paris and makes frequent trips to the U.S. to give readings and lectures. If we compare them with painting, they work like the zips in Newmans painting. This is typical of what happens when I make a collage. Her mother was Polish and her father Irish. I had met him in 1969, then we stayed friends. I was one of his friends in Paris. DR: Yes, that brings me back to what I was saying earlier about Andr Bretons. NOTLEY, AliceNationality: American. [16] Over two nights, November 14 and 15, 2016, Notley read The Descent of Alette in its entirety at The Lab in San Francisco. 91DR: You quote the powerful, assertive voice of Marianne Moore in a poem. Teds father worked for the Tip-Top Bread factory and died when he was fifty of a heart attack, after being laid off due to mechanization. On Ted Berrigans exuberant and idiosyncratic prose. , Fifth edition, vol.2. Nina Baym. I had this education, so I could have been doing something else but did not want to, was animated by a desire to write poetry, which is truly valuable: I was writing peoples culture for the future. There was a piece of paper on my door that said: in your building there were two Jewish children who were taken to the camps; we are going to have a ceremony for the unveiling of a plaque on the rue de Chabrol. If we compare them with painting, they work like the zips in Newmans painting. I grew up among Native Americans. I wrote a poem about it in. You know Newman makes these large, abstract works. I learned everything from the variable foot from Asphodel, That Greeny Flower.. 65DR: Yes, the 1971 poem about writing an earlier poem of the same title, a characteristically clever poetic ploy. London: B.T. 57DR: Now I heard you say that the cadences for The Descent of Alette emerged from Monteverdi. Reading The Descent of Alette was like listening to Alice Coltrane for fourteen hours while riding the NYC subway at 3AM in the 1980s. (1954): that book is fantastic; he caught the new line, which he refers to in one of his letters. Poems.. She was in my workshop. OHaras insouciance has made his work popularan antidote to the high seriousness that poetry sometimes invokes to prove its worth. There was a black woman at a desk when I went in who said, What are. Sometimes I have in-between projects and that is a tough situation; because, I usually dont write as well then, indeed, I never quite know what to do at those moments. Table of Contents 69AN: I learned a lot from him on that level. DR: Its also what Andr Breton mentions, in his book. 81DR: Apart from what happens during the performance, can writing poetry be like a dance? 117DR: Its a beautiful indictment of bureaucracies and their inhuman treatment. Humbleflannel skeleton. 30DR: In your work, theres something in the interstices between thoughts thats both intriguing and active. DR: Frank OHara was strongly influenced by Williams, and you in turn take a lot from OHara. turn right, that dream building cutglass window in door. First, the way the fan that tapers at the top disorients the view, because the fan is supposed to open up, not reduce. New York: Penguin, 2001. 4Since then, her poetry has continued to flow and evolve. Raw language is the final material we have; it is only by shaping and reshaping it that we can hope to rebuild our world. Pictures from Breughel and Other Poems and The Desert Music and Other Poems (1954): that book is fantastic; he caught the new line, which he refers to in one of his letters. AN: I met him once, Barnett Newman, right before he died. AN: Yes, they were the two Irish of the set. Alice Notley - 1945-. New York: W.W. Norton & Company, 1979, p. 911-1772. Notley. A calligram by Guillaume Apollinaire, from La Petite Auto (1918). And the past & future & I born too. Individual Time. I could have a conversation about Royal Trux: a very chaotic indie group, sometimes awful, sometimes amazingly brilliant. The Goddess who created this passing world. 97AN: He is focusing on the foot; and hes probably also aware of the foot when hes doing the short stanzas. SoundCloud and One day she took a lot of pills in a quasi-suicide attempt, when I was there, and then she just had to be rescued from this life of working a lot, not having enough, and too little company. Entitled The Speak Angel Series, her latest collection of new material is forthcoming from . But Notley, never one to be pinned down, has continued to push poetrys formal constraints, and this pursuit has led her far away from portraits of domestic life. Notley came to prominence as a member of the second generation of the New York School of poetryalthough she has always denied being involved with the New York School or any specific movement in general. In her essay The Poetics of Disobedience, Notley writes, I've been trying to train myself for thirty or forty years not to believe anything anyone tells me. In this apocalyptic, darkly funny, and, indeed, gutsy poem from Songs and Stories of the Ghouls (2011), Notley indicts logic itselfthe so-called common sense that reduces poetry to gender and experience to the known and erases whole cities in the whirlwind of war. I would like some help. Whereupon, she just totally melted. 61Then generations of people had to have to deal with the bad behavior and figure out how to talk about it. But people often say that Marianne Moore writes with the whole sentence. It was a collaboration of sorts, though I generally do not collaborate; I really hate it. I had just been in the States. 12DR: Thats what Ted Berrigan was about: taking things from here and there, picking them up, and making them his own. Light as airmail paper away she flew. Considered by many to be among the most outstanding of living American poets, Alice Notley has amassed a body of work that includes intimate lyrics, experimental diaries, traditional genres, the postmodern series, the newly invented epic, political observation and invective, and the poem as novel. In the serious, reflective poem, Your Dailiness (1971), you mention finally understanding Willem de Koonings painting, Excavation, in a Chicago museum. DR: Indeed, Berrigan and OHara were both Irish names. AN: That photo in the middle is me at age ten, I think. My poems are full of creosote bushes, and athel trees which are extremely ugly trees that somehow got there, who knows how, maybe by way of the Colorado River which goes right by where I grew up. DR: Apart from what happens during the performance, can writing poetry be like a dance? Indeed, French poetry has had some weird times, where it got so abstract. Bernadette Mayer writes through the pandemic. Its probably Notleys best-known work, perhaps because its one of the easiest to follow. Aeneas founded a city, Rome. You can read her biography, an interview with Notley, and more of her poems in the Poetry Foundation archive. At the same moment, at Saint Marks, Bernadette Mayer, Anne Waldman, and I taught poetry workshops. I learned everything from the variable foot from Asphodel, That Greeny Flower.. 72As for my teaching at the Saint Marks poetry project, I gave assignments from week to week and I made the students bring in those rather than the poems they wrote on their own, to hold discussion without my having to criticize them too much. How Spring Comes [12] Her own book, entitled Parts of a Wedding, was published first in a small edition by Unimproved Editions then later as a section of the O Books anthology O One.[13]. Ultimately, I am expressing a desire to run into the desert and get some space, the space everybody needs around themselves and unfortunately are not getting. She has lived most extensively in Needles, in New York, and since 1992 in Paris, France. AN: Peggy was great and, yes, Irish. Especially in the way that lucid means shining and bright. Instead, she gravitated increasingly toward archetype and mytha search for primordial language bubbling under the surface. Her work warns of the ways in which our civilization and its conventional stories have failed us, but its also a reminder that the endless resources of language remain for those who have a little nerve. Anne Waldman says that one thing she learned at that point was that the Hindus say carry your enemy on your shoulder. Thats a counter-intuitive idea. This is perhaps one of Notleys ways of repurposing male influences: what for Apollinaire seemed like a bold transcription of modern life, evoking the frenetic motion of photography and film, is for Notley a figure of timelessness and stillness, a place where picture and pictogram cant be fully pulled apart. She was educated in the Needles public schools, Barnard College, and The Writers Workshop, University of Iowa. In fact he taught the same undergraduate classes for years and years, refusing to teach graduate students becausehe saidthey couldnt learn anything, were already set in their ways. Early on, I understood that was something you could enjoy doing out of folk music. From her early days in the male-dominated New York School, Notleys work has been persistently, fiercely feminist, and this poems matter-of-fact mythmakingthe world it describes is ourspresages her later efforts to write women into the Homeric tradition. Chicago: C Press, 1971. There was pleasure in working with that discovery. Which gives you bits of advice and instructions. Reason and Other Women. It was reissued in 2021 by the London-based small press Distance No Object. 78When we moved to Needles, there had been a cry house which was a place where the Mojaves would go to cry when somebody died, and there was now this pile of boards: my mother was completely fascinated by the cry house, thus she would use that phrase; one of the first stories I wrote on route to the University of Iowas Writers Workshop for an MFA as a prose writer was about Needles, concerning a white man who goes to the cry house to cry. Peggy went to work at two jobs for ever; then there was a point where Johnny, the youngest, had to leave home, and she had a nervous breakdown, which was when I met her. which is certainly a splendid and beautiful poem, does. After earning her BA from Barnard College and MFA from the Iowa Writers Workshop, Notley traveled extensively around the U.S. and abroad. Cutting as many cords / as you tie to [her], Notley leads us away from rationality to the forgotten and suppressed that makes up another part of now.. Life spilled out onto the street, colors whirled. The Indians said: No, we wont do it, but we will send people to teach them to you. The tribes then would send the people to Prescott, and every year they would teach these businessmen dances. Those are the ones Im working on right now, which have to do with my poetry of the moment. Notley edited seven of the issues with Berrigan taking over one while Notley was pregnant with their first son. On Facebook, Frank had a characteristic, manly idea of existing in the world despite what you might call his femininity, and I think that Ted understood it as something like being a Jimmy Cagney or something from the movies: Ted knew how to take that stance. There was one called How Green Was My Hair Brush? which was a Ron title. They wanted people to come and put the dances on, trying to help preserve them actually (there were about fifteen or twenty Indian Tribes in Arizona). I was one of his friends in Paris. In the Pines, Montreal: Club Roll, 2012. At a certain point I wrote them down every morning; sometimes I do it more than others. New Addresses. The artist George Schneeman, perhaps most famous for his artworks that appeared on the covers of dozens of books of poetry, did all of the covers for the magazine. I dont know anything about French pop culture at all; Im necessarily estranged from American pop culture, but I do sometimes know whats going on in music. Written after the death of her brother, a Vietnam veteran who suffered from PTSD, Notleys searing elegy challenges the Western poetic tradition by drawing attention to its complicity in war making and empire building. [7], In 1974, Berrigan got a job as a visiting poet at University of Essex, so Notley and Berrigan, with their son Anselm, relocated first to London, then to Brightlingsea in Essex. 44AN: That photo in the middle is me at age ten, I think. I grew up with the Mojaves, going to school with them. Alice Notleys poetry has evolved through many phases and experiments, as her output continues to be strong, and is increasingly studied academically. Mystery of Small Houses. AN: I wouldnt be able to take the journey if I couldnt hear the poem thats all based on folk songs and not those lines, but I was writing In the Pines while I was doing the Hepatitis C treatment, where the drugs would depress you, but once a week you would have to take a shot which, they didnt tell you, would get you high for a half hour before you got sick. In reframing and re-empowing Dido and Medea, she is writing a meditation on destruction. Notley left Needles for New York City to attend Barnard College in 1963, desiring an escape from the isolation of her hometown. I would write during that high, meanwhile I would listen to Bob Dylan tapes. [citation needed]. Which is something that John Ashbery would probably have agreed with, in a way. 75DR: Speaking of Anne Waldman somehow makes me think of the presence of Native Americans in your work. New York: New Directions, 1962. DR: Anne Waldman was an important figure with the [St. Marks] poetry project. Alice Notley has become one of America's greatest living poets. Where Leftover Misery Goes. Robert Haas, Guest Editor. His reviews and interviews have appeared in Kenyon Review, The Rumpus, and Pleiades. So, there were people from all different professions at the table, a few Americans and some artistic peoplebut not that many. AN: She lost her father younger than Ted lost his. He would fly to Paris, find me, and we would have dinner; also, he had a group of Paris friends. 114AN: To quote Jack Kerouac, avoid the authorities. If you have the talent you have to avoid them. I think its just all out there. Born: Bisbee, Arizona, 8 November 1945. She was 88had just got back upand I was so inspired by how she got back up that I wrote that poem; I also wrote Blinding the White Horse in Front of Me (2016) basically in the same spurt of energy. In fact he taught the same undergraduate classes for years and years, refusing to teach graduate students becausehe saidthey couldnt learn anything, were already set in their ways. I applied pressure so that the brokenness would have the shape I wanted; then I think I made the back part separately and decided to glue the fan on it. NOTLEY, Alice. 38AN: Would you like to see the real collage? 99AN: Frank caught how great Pictures from Breughel and Other Poems (1962) was. Instead of second-guessing their style, we could talk about the way they handled the tasks. Ed. Although Notley is less known to a casual poetry readershipher inventiveness and audacity are matched by her difficulty she is one of the singular voices in contemporary American poetry. I didnt know any French; I had no French when I came here, basically, in my late forties. A fairly long poem that Notley generally reads quickly, At Night the States gives the reader a feeling of being pulled through grief and back into life, with irregular syntax signaling the disruption to day-to-day living caused by a great loss. 80AN: Probably, I wouldnt dance, but Anne might. Middletown, CT: Wesleyan University Press, 2006. We were all born in 1945, and despite a certain competitiveness at first, became good friends. In the case of John Ashbery, theres a poem called Syringa (1977) with an Orphean motif. AN: You dont have to breathe between them. AN: We were children then, basically. 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