Alicia Shepard said, "Carl was the big thinker, and Woodward was the one that [made] sure it got done [T]hey knew that each of them had strengths that the other didn't, and they relied on one another. Sometimes, Felt would speak on the phone, but on other occasions, he would meet Woodward in a parking garage in Virginia. So you would not go from the CIA to the White House instantly, but within several days, through the work of another reporter, we learned there was this cryptic entry in the address books of two of the five burglars that very simply said H. The greater significance of Watergate was something that was hard to grasp in 1974, but seems crystal clear now, at least to me. Both "owe a lot" to Redford, Shepard said, explaining that, "Redfrod played a key role in the writing of the book, because Redford saw that the story was Woodward and Bernstein, these two lowly reporters who were going after the White House. I was asleep in my bedroom in a suburb of New York, a 13-year-old boy, still trying to make sense of this strange world I'd been born into, where police in blue helmets fought young people in the street, and great men were gunned down in their prime. Why has the heroic-journalist interpretation of Watergate persisted through the 50 years since burglars linked to Nixons campaign were arrested at the Watergate complex in Washington? David Halberstam, The Powers That Be (1979) places the Bernstein and Woodward story into a history of recent American journalism. Encyclopedia of World Biography. https://www.encyclopedia.com/history/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/woodward-and-bernstein, "Woodward and Bernstein One story that Ephron shared with Pakula concerned how the two reporters sparred as they raced to complete the book All the Presidents Men. Woodward, she told the director, could be so stubborn and bullheaded and had no instinct for writing. When Ephron and Bernstein were in Martinique on vacation, Woodward and Bernstein fought on the telephone, to the tune of a $400 bill, about verb tenses. Ben Bradlee: Probably the first or second day, really. Maybe it was 16, but he had fully a decade-plus of experience under his belt. They show how Pakula came to view his protagonists. Do you remember? Soon other newspapers began to investigate the Watergate story more energetically, and legislative and judicial agencies began to uncover a larger and larger pattern of lawbreaking. Cite this article Pick a style below, and copy the text for your bibliography. Sometimes, people accuse us of bringing down a president, which of course we didnt do, and shouldnt have done,Graham said. And there we watched thousands of "indignados" flood the streets of Madrid, the precursor to Occupy Wall Street back home. We worked her over very hard, but so did the lawyers. What attracted you to the newspaper business? Irresponsible., * Carl saw Bob as a machine. Didnt you have a chat with the Posts publisher, Katharine Graham, in the midst of all of this? Well, it turns out a lot of CIA people were, and they tried to use the CIA to cover up the FBI investigation, but they never pinned it on the CIA. Bernstein noted he learned from Woodward to not only, follow the money but follow the lies, and to remember that, sources are human beings whom we need to listen to and empathize with, and understand not objectify simply as the means to get a story., 2023 NYP Holdings, Inc. All Rights Reserved, Daily Shows Roy Wood Jr. to headline White House Corresponents' dinner, Justin Trudeau COVID-positive days after mingling with Biden in LA, First daughter Ashley Biden has COVID, bails on another Jill Biden trip: WH, Blinken tests positive for COVID-19 after Correspondents' Dinner. Bob Woodward: Or The Sound and the Fury, which is his great book. There were other burglaries. A judge told the Times they couldnt publish it, so a judge would tell us the same thing. Robert Redford and Dustin Hoffman portrayed them in the 1976 movie. His detailed notes, first made public in December 2005, were donated by his wife to the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences after his death in 1998 in an automobile accident. Landed at The Washington Post in 1971, had nine months reporting experience. As the stakes increased, and as the White House looked more and more threatened, and Nixon himself looked more threatened, and his office became threatened, we just were determined that we werent going to make any silly mistake. The duo of Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein have become synonymous with reporting the comings and goings of the Watergate scandal. It was so important. Woodward was assigned to cover the breaking story, along with a younger but more experienced reporter, Carl Bernstein. Encyclopedia.com gives you the ability to cite reference entries and articles according to common styles from the Modern Language Association (MLA), The Chicago Manual of Style, and the American Psychological Association (APA). George Tames/New York Times Co./Getty Images, American University School of Communication, unfolded over 26 months beginning in June 1972, Getting It Wrong: Debunking the Greatest Myths in American Journalism, Woodward and Bernsteins All the Presidents Men, cinematic adaptation of All the Presidents Men, Committee Member - MNF Research Advisory Committee, PhD Scholarship - Uncle Isaac Brown Indigenous Scholarship. It's the system. It was mysterious always, his writing, but of great emotional impact. President Nixon attempted to use the office of the presidency to cover up the crimes and his involvement with any break-ins. While Woodward has written books leveling criticisms against both Nixon and Trump, his critiques have not been limited to Republican presidents, and his praise is not limited to Democratic ones. display: none; They were not hard to support, these young reporters, because they were right. It seems that there are very few long, extensive investigations into corruption where an editor lets reporters work on a story for a couple of years. And she decided to do it. I think it is an emotion that if you bask in it, its like hate; it will destroy you. He had worked in the Pentagon, and then he had worked for the Rand Corporation. He also felt compelled, as a reporter, to point out that Bernstein's remarks were . Theres an example of incredibly good reporting over a long, protracted time period, laced with denials by the highest people in Boston society the Cardinals and the priests. (They later discovered that Sloan meant to communicate to them that Haldeman was guilty, but that Sloan had not said so to the grand jury because he had not been asked.) Richard Nixon's RN: The Memoirs of Richard Nixon (1978) gives the former president's version of the events surrounding Watergate. Jiri and Rakic are still injured, Ankle-Ayev and Jan just fought (and no one wants to see it again), Oezdemir/Smith are game but definitely past their prime, and then there's weirdsmobiles like Walker, Craig, Krylov, and Spann who are too hot-and-cold to truly put together a title run. (February 22, 2023). Mr. Bradlee, by the time of the Watergate affair, the Post had already come into conflict with the Nixon administration over the Pentagon Papers. Ben Bradlee: A book had been taken out of the library. Woodward and Bernstein reflect on Watergate and its place in American history. Ben Bradlee: Four hundred stories about Watergate in The Washington Post Four hundred in two years and two months. [19] He began investigating the secret cooperation between the CIA and American media during the Cold War. On June 17, 1972, Woodward was assigned to cover a story about an attempted burglary the night before in which five men had been arrested at the headquarters of the Bob Woodward: Quite late. And it turned out he had worked for the CIA for years, had been working in the White House as a consultant to Chuck Colson, who was then Nixons hatchet man. In 1992, Bernstein wrote a cover story for The New Republic magazine indicting modern journalism for its sensationalism and celebration of gossip over real news. Ben Bradlee: His name was Griswold, and he had been the dean of the Harvard Law School. ", After Watergate, Shepard says, the two went in "completely different directions. [24], In 2012, Carl Bernstein spoke at a rally of People's Mujahedin of Iran, an opposition Iranian organization that had previously been listed as a Foreign Terrorist Organization by the United States, reportedly receiving a payment for his speech.[25]. It taught me the benefits of collaboration, and that collaboration is a wonderful thing. "Carl was the big thinker, and Woodward was the one that make sure it got done.". And she said, When will we know the full story of Watergate? The role of Congress and the courts -- where even Republicans refused to turn a blind eye to a Republican president's wrongdoing -- was critical to this belief, but it was the journalist at the very top of this moral pyramid. He is the author or co-author of seven books: All the President's Men, The Final Days, and The Secret Man, with Bob Woodward; His Holiness: John Paul II and the History of Our Time, with Marco Politi; Loyalties; A Woman in Charge: The Life of Hillary Rodham Clinton;[3] and Chasing History, a memoir of his early years in journalism. [23], Bernstein is a frequent guest and analyst on television news programs, and in 2011 wrote articles for Newsweek/The Daily Beast, comparing Rupert Murdoch's News of the World phone-hacking scandal to Watergate. Ben Bradlee: That we had really done a really good job. They publicly tied prominent Washington figures, such as Nixons former attorney general, John Mitchell, to the scandal. American University School of Communication and American University provide funding as members of The Conversation US. Neither of those marriages could withstand all that pressure and that fame and money. " Ben Bradlee: Well, right away, with Hunts name and the White House telephone number in there. And that in a little way, and often in a significant way, thats realized. } The reporters were all there, and the editors were there, working on the copy, and there was some guy writing for the next morning. I covered the night police beat. Bernstein and Woodward pursued documentary evidence by cross-checking telephone books, airline records, building directories, hotel records, andin what some claimed were violations of journalistic ethics confidential credit card and telephone company records. In his obituary column written in 1994, writer Martin Weil had this to say about the late Lewis: "A familiar and trusted figure to top police officials, [Lewis] went into the building with investigators and remained there unchallenged through the day, gathering information available to no other news outlet.". 2019Encyclopedia.com | All rights reserved. You could feel that they took not an adversarial position toward government, but a position of skepticism, a position of there is accountability reporting. And of course, Muskie was going to be the strong candidate against Nixon. ." We missed the first edition, but we published it the second edition, which came out at 11 oclock at night, 11:30. Most online reference entries and articles do not have page numbers. There were no bars in town. While a young reporter for The Washington Post in 1972, Bernstein was teamed up with Bob Woodward, and the two did much of the original news reporting on the Watergate scandal. I think the lead of his story was, Will the wonders of Watergate never cease?. [17] A second book, The Final Days, was published by Bernstein and Woodward in 1976 as a follow-up chronicling Nixon's last days in office. On the eve of the 2016 election, Woodward returned to the Watergate story one more time. What are you most proud of, looking back on your career so far? Woodward has written best-selling books on the last ten presidentsNixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, George H.W. Perfect. I think there were two or three then, but I think there are six now. And when, the next day, Woodward this is probably Sunday or maybe Monday, because the burglary was Saturday morning early called the number and asked to speak to Mr. Hunt, and the operator said, Well, hes not here now; hes over at such-and-such a place, gave him another number, and Woodward called him up, and Hunt answered the phone, and Woodward said, We want to know why your name was in the address book of the Watergate burglars. And there is this long, deathly hush, and Hunt said, Oh, my God! and hung up. He joined broadcast news in a high growth period. Bob Woodward: I dont know whether I feel pride. Nonetheless, the heroic-journalist myth became so entrenched that it could withstand disclaimers by Watergate-era principals at the Post such as Graham. In a very different summer -- 2011 -- I had the good fortune to visit Spain with my family shortly before sending my daughter off to college. So I went to work with about seven or eight other people, including Carl (Bernstein), and I went to the arraignment of the five burglars, and the judge wanted to know where one of them worked, and he was mumbling. Some people think I was in intelligence. We were reporting on the Presidents men, and the White House people, the Attorney General, John Mitchell, people in the Nixon campaign, the Committee to Re-Elect the President, and the focus was not Nixon. ", To read excerpts, click here. I now do my books alone, but I have a full-time assistant who is kind of my collaborator. Woodwards 2012 bookThe Price of Politicsexplores the efforts of President Obama and congressional leaders to restore the American economy following the financial crisis of 2008. Well, I was down there. 1996 - 2023 American AcademyofAchievement. We shouldnt do that. That doesnt mean there wont be more scandals and maybe even larger scandals, but in a sense, the vision or the dream of the people who wrote the Constitution has, at least in part, been realized. He met his Deep Throat source secretly to get as much information as possible. Certainly during Watergate, it didnt get transmitted to Carl Bernstein or myself through them. Three Post editors were portrayed by award-winning character actors: Jason Robards as Ben Bradlee, Martin Balsam as Howard. We were told that before we could write it, but yes, we knew it. It glosses over the scandals intricacies and discounts the far more crucial investigative work of special prosecutors, federal judges, the FBI, panels of both houses of Congress, and the Supreme Court. It was only later, when Dean testified, and the tapes came out, that it was quite clear that not only was Nixon involved, he was in charge of the cover-up. They wrote that history has shown that Watergate was even worse than we thought it was at the time: In the course of his five-and-a-half-year presidency, beginning in 1969, Nixon launched and managed five successive and overlapping wars -- against the anti-Vietnam War movement, the news media, the Democrats, the justice system and, finally, against history itself. He continued the story of presidential leadership and foreign policy in Obamas Wars (2010). He said, I think on balance I am against it. I mean, he didnt tear his hair out and say, God damn it, Katharine, you cant do this. But in his interview with Woodward, Pakula discovered that the reporter could surprise: Other peoples secrets fascinated and obsessed him. It was one of the most incredible feelings that Ive had in my life because, you know, it had been a long time since we had started to work on the story, and I didnt exactly know who I was or who he was -- existentially, it was sort of a total mind----. Ben Bradlee: Nixon himself? You are also agreeing to our Terms of Service and Privacy Policy. LHW is a shallow division, this cancellation was just adding insult to injury. Where the hell? An informant in the federal government, it was not until 2005 that the public finally put a name on Deep Throat. Bob Woodward: No. Woodward is the fifth branch of government! In 1974, if they had only gotten their (Washington Post) salaries, Woodward would have earned $15,000 and Bernstein $18,000. What was that about? Why did this happen? Together, they followed the story and co-wrote the best-seller, "All the President's Men.". Eighteen years after the Supreme Court ruled that they couldnt shut us down, the prosecuting attorney, who was the Solicitor General of the United States, wrote the Post a letter saying that in the whole Pentagon Papers, there was no threat to national security. A community high school history teacher named Elizabeth Duncan who taught American history and was a great teacher. How do I pay someone back, either good or bad, for what they have done to me?. On the other hand, Bernstein was born to a Communist Jewish family. Woodward, Carl Bernstein and Ben Bradlee all confirmed Felts revelation. Bob Woodward: We had done some of the early stories, that it led to the Senate Watergate Committee, led to the House Judiciary Committee and impeachment investigation. Since the 1980 election of Ronald Reagan closed the lid on the post-Watergate era, we've seen a president who WASN'T impeached for evading Congress to cut secret arms deals in Iran and fund a secret war in Nicaragua, a president who WAS impeached for lying about his sex life, and a president who WASN'T impeached for lying the nation into a war that killed thousands of American soldiers and innocent civilians, while carrying out torture and other violations of human rights more "perverse" than anything during Nixon's presidency. Pakula didnt want facts alone. Woodward stayed at The Washington Post. It seemed to always be about Nixon. Then in March 1973 one of the Watergate burglars, James McCord, a former CIA official, wrote a letter to Judge John Sirica, who was trying his case, that essentially confirmed the Bernstein and Woodward stories. Bush . Woodward noted how Bernstein had taught him about the importance of being very aggressive, and recalled how Bernstein had clambered aboard a full cab with the Watergate burglars lawyers to get information and borrowed $20 from Woodward, which he did not return. Im sure it would have been more interesting. Even Woodward has disavowed the heroic-journalist interpretation, once telling an interviewer that the mythologizing of our role in Watergate has gone to the point of absurdity, where journalists write that I, single-handedly, brought down Richard Nixon. Where did you work? And he went, CIA, Central Intelligence Agency. And I know my reaction was one of Oh! Do you think being the oldest had an influence on your life? Samuel Dash, the Democratic counsel to the Senate Select Committee chaired by Senator Sam Ervin of North Carolina, argued in his later book on the Senate investigation, Chief Counsel, that the admirable, early investigative reporting of Bernstein and Woodward had now degenerated into what he called "hit and run" journalism based on leaks from the committee and jeopardized the ability of the legal system to track down and punish the guilty. They were after us and The New York Times. He yelled, Stop! Bob Woodward: Oh, yes, I had teachers at Wheaton. We wanted to be sure that it wasnt sabotaged in some way by, you know, printers slipping in the F word or something like that that was going to screw it up. And no one goes back or slows down or digs enough, particularly me. But the following morning, Dan Schorr of CBS we saw on CBS Morning News shoved a microphone in front of this guy and said, The Post says you did this. Other than Woodward and Bernstein, no personalities prominent in Watergate were the subjects of a bestselling memoir, the inspiration for a star-studded motion picture, and the protectors of a mythical source who eluded conclusive identification for decades. Youve said journalism should be called a practice, like law. Felt brazenly denied having been Woodwards source. The notes from Pakulas interview with Ephron reveal a key to his understanding of Woodward and Bernstein. We had one day. Events are in no way simple or cinematic. All the President's Men was made into a hit motion picture starring Robert Redford as Woodward and Dustin Hoffman as Bernstein (1976). When you were a child, who most inspired you? Five long years of unruly marches and campus takeovers hadn't toppled the Establishment. Whats the government up to? The shadowy man was the compass to point the journalist duo in the right direction. A drone. And my last year, I served in the Navy here in Washington and lived over on P Street and decided I would get a subscription to a paper called The Washington Post that had a young, very feisty editor named Ben Bradlee, and started reading the Post, and during that year, 1969-1970, you could just feel the energy in the newspaper. Goes Out newsletter, with the week's best events, to help you explore and experience our city. Robert U. Woodward was born in Geneva, Illinois, and raised in nearby Wheaton. We had such good sources. Mr. Woodward, once you heard one of the burglars say he worked for the CIA, where did you take it from there? People had troubles, and people had secrets. Woodward also got a dig in about Bernsteins famed love of the ladies, recalling Bernstein got a list of people who worked on the Richard Nixon re-election campaign from an ex-girlfriend. ALICIA C. SHEPARD, who teaches journalism at American University, is the author of "Woodward and Bernstein: Life in the Shadow of Watergate. I can't tell you how many times back then that Americans -- looking for a silver lining in the cloud of Watergate -- uttered this phrase: "The system worked." So we started phrasing it close to resignation, and debating resignation, and then, finally, we learned that I think he was going to do it at nine oclock at night, or eight oclock at night. Mr. Woodward, theres a last question wed like to ask. So why not take Woodward at his word? Carl had a harder time. Compared to Woodward, Bernstein was a strong writer, and therefore wrote articles based on Woodward's information from Deep Throat. . He told me first that he was going to resign, wasnt sure when, and for Gods sake dont write it as hard, because he wont. display: block; It came out in the Ervin Committee hearings in the Senate. Very forceful, very insistent that we write essays to answer questions, and not short answers. However popular, the heroic-journalist myth is a vast exaggeration of the effect of their work. Were you the only child? The young protesters were arguably unlearning the false lessons of Watergate, that meaningful social change had to come from pounding the pavement, not just from pounding a keyboard. Of course, after the fame of "All the President's Men." 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